And then "Lap" at Grinnell. It's a 100-foot curved wall with a second story—clear story. It's both industrial rubber bands and this is the first time that I use shoelaces, moving a little bit closer to this kind of autobiographical stance with the work.

My mother taught me how to crochet, so I was kind of looking for a way to represent my father's side of the family. My grandfather had a shoe repair shop in Manhattan, in New Jersey, and in Brooklyn with his brother-in-laws. So that seemed like a great way to do it.